Matt Finch and Chris Scott

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  • The "13th Step" in Alcoholics Anonymous

The "13th Step" in Alcoholics Anonymous

Wednesday 3rd April 2024

Hosts Chris Scott and Matt Finch discuss the predatory practice of '13th-stepping' in AA, its consequences, and how to protect yourself.
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Unmasking the Dark Side of AA: Understanding '13th-Stepping'

Episode Overview

  • Definition and examples of '13th-stepping'
  • Personal anecdotes from Matt Finch on witnessing '13th-stepping'
  • Reasons why individuals engage in this behaviour
  • Consequences for victims, including relapse and trauma
  • Tips on how to protect yourself in AA meetings
'The 13th step is used to describe the efforts of an old-timer who tries to screw a newcomer or someone with less than one year of sobriety,'
In this episode of Elevation Recovery, hosts Chris Scott and Matt Finch tackle the controversial and often hidden issue of '13th-stepping' in Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). The term '13th-stepping' refers to predatory behaviour where seasoned members, often men, target newcomers, usually women, for romantic or sexual advances. This episode dives into how widespread and damaging this behaviour is, sharing personal stories and research findings to shed light on this dark side of AA meetings.
Matt Finch recounts his own experiences witnessing '13th-stepping' and provides a comprehensive look at why individuals engage in this behaviour, ranging from emotional loneliness to financial desperation. The hosts also discuss the severe consequences for victims, including psychological trauma, relapse, and even suicide. Practical advice is offered on how to protect oneself from becoming a target, such as attending same-gender meetings and setting firm boundaries.
The episode doesn't shy away from the harsh realities but also provides hope by suggesting ways to recover from '13th-step' trauma. It's a candid discussion aimed at educating and protecting those in recovery. If you're part of AA or considering joining, this episode is a must-listen for safeguarding your journey to sobriety.
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