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The Problem With Legalism - Episode 2 (Archive)

Monday 28th July 2025

Explore the balance between rules and relationships with Wes Thompson and Austin Hill on Relational Recovery.
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Legalism: Rules vs Relationships - A New Perspective

Episode Overview

  • Avoid creating unnecessary rules; focus on cultivating relationships.
  • Curiosity can lead to deeper understanding and connection.
  • Condemnation can feel emotionally violent; choose compassion instead.
  • Accountability should aim for human flourishing and connection.
  • Use questions to explore behaviours rather than judging them.
Start with curiosity, which would be, hey, I noticed this. Can you tell me more?
Wes Thompson and Austin Hill are back in this episode of the Relational Recovery Podcast, diving into the thorny issue of legalism. They explore the tension between creating necessary rules and fostering an environment where genuine relationships can thrive. It's a delicate balance, as they point out, between covering up behaviours and condemning them. Both approaches can lead to isolation rather than connection, which is not the path they advocate. Instead, Wes and Austin propose a third way – curiosity.
They suggest approaching potential issues with questions rather than judgement, aiming to understand and support rather than punish. This episode is filled with candid reflections on how we often find ourselves either sweeping problems under the rug or playing the role of the 'rules police'. Neither method truly serves the goal of human flourishing or spiritual connection. They use vivid metaphors to describe how condemnation can feel like a form of violence, not physical but emotional.
By shifting focus to curiosity, they believe there's a better chance for healing and growth. The conversation is grounded in Christian spirituality, offering insights into how faith can guide us towards healthier relationships. If you're seeking ways to balance accountability with compassion, this episode offers a refreshing perspective. Wes and Austin's candid discussion might just inspire you to rethink how you approach unwanted behaviours in yourself and others. Could curiosity be the key to unlocking deeper connections?
Listen in to find out.
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