166: Great Awakening Show with Joanne-Divine Life Yogini - Episode 166166: Great Awakening Show with Joanne-Divine Life Yogini - Episode 166
UK Health Radio Podcast
RamDev Dale Borglum joins Joanne-Divine Life Yogini to talk about conscious dying, fear, and the emotional patterns that shape how people live and face death. The conversation focuses on practical spiritual tools, compassion, and a different way of relating to suffering and mortality.
46:48•12 Jul 2026
Living So You Can Die Without Fear: RamDev on Conscious Dying and Everyday Courage
Episode Overview
- Facing fear of death is closely tied to how fully a person can live, with all fear essentially pointing to fear of death and separateness.
- Suffering arises less from illness or dying itself and more from resistance to what is happening.
- The tantric three-step—embodied mindfulness, compassion, and seeing everything as sacred—offers a practical way to meet difficult emotions.
- Early life experiences can create deep patterns of fear, guilt, shame and grief that need attention before people can relax into spiritual practice or conscious dying.
- Spiritual growth involves accepting both our human suffering and an underlying wholeness, holding that we are "perfect and there's still some room for improvement".
“Cancer does not cause suffering. Dying does not cause suffering. Resistance to cancer, resistance to dying causes suffering.”
How do people find strength in their journey to sobriety and beyond, especially when fear and loss feel overwhelming? This conversation on the Great Awakening Show brings together yogini host Joanne-Divine Life Yogini and RamDev Dale Borglum to look closely at fear, suffering, and death in a way that directly speaks to anyone facing big life changes, including recovery.
RamDev shares the story behind his book *How to Live So You Can Die Without Fear* and his decades of work with the Living-Dying Project, supporting people at the end of life. He explains how conscious dying grew from collaborations with Ram Dass and Stephen Levine, integrating contemplative traditions with Western end-of-life care.
You’ll hear how “the way we live kind of determines how we die,” and why, as he puts it, “cancer does not cause suffering… resistance to cancer, resistance to dying causes suffering.” A big part of the conversation focuses on practical tools.
RamDev describes the "tantric three-step" for working with tough emotions like fear: feeling them in the body, offering compassion to the one who feels them, and then recognising that “even this is sacred.” Joanne brings in her own perspective as a yogini, talking about ego death, the dark night of the soul, and how facing fear of death can open up a fuller experience of life.
For people in recovery, the themes will feel familiar: fear, guilt, shame, and grief; the influence of early conditioning; and the way spiritual practices and 12-step ideas overlap.
Rather than promising easy comfort, this episode leans into the hard questions and keeps returning to presence, compassion, and a sense that “we’re perfect and there’s still some room for improvement.” If you’ve ever wondered whether working with fear and grief could deepen your sobriety and your whole life, this conversation might spark a very different way of looking at both living and dying.
Do you want to link to this podcast?
Get the buttons here!
More From This Show
The latest episodes from the same podcast.