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Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
Joe Chisholm returns to discuss helping others through suggestion, not “expertise.” Emotional sobriety can help us escape a “victim mentality” we must shed to become the best version of ourselves. We use the term “victim” delicately, taking into account genuine sufferers of abuse and victimization. Whether one hour or twenty years sober, we’re all engaging with the same work and the same pursuit of emotional freedom. Patrick’s “Outside Issues” podcast, about the intersection of recovery and social justice: https://www.youtube.com/@outsideissuespodcast https://pod.link/1826305552 Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here: https://rebelliondogspublishing.com Joe’s “Beyond Belief” book: https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Belief-reflection-nonbelievers-freethinkers/dp/0988115700 Follow us on social media. Podcast Twitter: @EmSobrietyPod Instagram: thomrutledge2 Joe C. Twitter: @Rebellion_Dogs Friendly Circle Berlin Workshop Group meets every Monday @ 7:30pm (Berlin), 6:30pm (Ireland & UK), 1:30pm EST, 10:30am PST Zoom Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/5505019905 Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/ Join Allen & Thom at our Thursday night, 7pm PST Zoom meeting on Emotional Sobriety and the Steps (login information below): https://zoom.us/j/330149513 Password: 375986 For our ongoing workshop video series on Emotional Sobriety and the 12 Steps, visit our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHEM2-kqLkfp3I4c0jy-X-g Also, please join our “Emotional Sobriety and Recovery” FB Group at the following link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/120450976662519 We’d love to stay in touch in between meetings. We appreciate feedback! Contact Patrick, our producer, at pndirective4@gmail.com for any questions or comments.
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Escaping the Victim Mentality
Episode Overview
- Emotional sobriety is crucial for overcoming victim mentality.
- Suggestions can be more impactful than expertise in recovery.
- Recovery is a continuous journey regardless of sobriety duration.
- Social justice intersects with recovery in meaningful ways.
- Avoiding complacency is vital in emotional growth.
“I'm as close to the ditch as I ever was.”
In this engaging episode of Emotional Sobriety, Dr. Allen Berger and Thom Rutledge are joined by Joe Chisholm to delve into the nuances of emotional sobriety and its role in overcoming victim mentality. The conversation centers around the importance of shedding the victim mindset to attain emotional freedom and become the best version of ourselves. The hosts and Joe navigate the delicate use of the term 'victim,' acknowledging those who have genuinely suffered from abuse and victimization.
Joe Chisholm emphasizes the value of providing suggestions instead of imposing expertise, highlighting that people need to feel heard rather than told what to do. This approach is especially relevant in the context of recovery, where individuals, whether one hour or twenty years sober, engage with the same pursuit of emotional liberation. The episode touches on how newcomers in recovery mature quickly, transitioning from dominant-submissive dynamics to healthier relationships.
This maturation process often challenges existing relationships, underscoring the need for emotional growth. Professionals have historically encouraged the fellowship to replace 'you must' statements with suggestions based on shared experiences, reinforcing the idea that recovery is a collective journey. The discussion also explores the intersection of recovery and social justice, as exemplified by Patrick's 'Outside Issues' podcast.
This initiative provides a platform to discuss emotional sobriety and recovery while addressing social justice issues, offering listeners an opportunity to process feelings of victimization. Overall, this episode provides insightful perspectives on the continuous journey of recovery, the significance of emotional sobriety, and the role of social justice in personal growth. As the hosts and Joe Chisholm reflect on their experiences, listeners are encouraged to embrace suggestions, challenge their perceptions, and pursue emotional freedom.
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