Allen Berger & Thom Rutledge
Allen Berger & Thom Rutledge
"I Am Not a Counselor"
"I Am Not a Counselor"
"I Am Not a Counselor"
Thursday 7th August 2025
Explore emotional sobriety with Bill Cleveland and Allen Berger as they discuss recovery, making amends, and spiritual growth in AA.
46 minutes
reflective
hopeful
informative
supportive
introspective
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Allen Berger & Thom Rutledge
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Sobriety Toolkit
Sexual Empowerment & Identity
Mindfulness & Emotional Wellbeing
Creative Recovery Journeys
Financial Health in Recovery
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Episode Overview
- Bill Cleveland shares insights from 40 years of sobriety.
- Emotional sobriety as an essential aspect of recovery.
- The importance of making amends in personal growth.
- Viewing AA as a community we 'get' to participate in.
- Recognizing and overcoming cultural narcissism.
You don't have to like what's happening, but you cannot struggle against it. Isn't that ultimate acceptance?
In this episode, we explore the profound journey of emotional sobriety with Bill Cleveland, who has celebrated 40 years of continuous sobriety. Bill, a revered figure in various recovery fellowships, including Hermosa Beach Men’s Stag, shares his invaluable experiences and insights with host Allen Berger. The discussion delves deep into the nuances of alcoholism as an analogue for emotional immaturity and how Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is perceived as a privilege rather than an obligation.
Bill discusses the concept of 'second first steps' and emphasizes the significance of making amends and working with others. His perspective is grounded in the belief that recovery is more about enjoying the journey than carrying it as a burden. Through his own experiences, Bill illustrates how personal accountability and self-reflection can lead to profound changes in one’s life.
The conversation also touches on the broader cultural context, addressing the pervasiveness of narcissism in society and the misconception of individuals as standalone entities. Bill argues that true growth occurs when we acknowledge our interconnectedness and vulnerabilities. Furthermore, the episode highlights the supportive and transformative environment of AA, where vulnerability is not only accepted but encouraged. It's a space where individuals are motivated to confront their flaws and work towards positive change, fostering a community of mutual support and understanding.
Allen and Bill also reflect on the personal challenges they have faced, including making amends and dealing with emotional pain. Bill shares a poignant moment of realization during a hospital stay, where he learned to embrace discomfort rather than resist it, illustrating the importance of acceptance in achieving peace. Through this engaging dialogue, listeners are invited to reconsider their perceptions of sobriety and personal growth, viewing them as ongoing journeys enriched by community support and introspection.