It's Your Time to Heal: God's Steps with Pastor Derwin GrayIt's Your Time to Heal: God's Steps with Pastor Derwin Gray
The Brain Warrior's Way Podcast
Pastor Dr Derwin Gray talks with Dr Daniel Amen and Tana Amen about trauma, identity, and forgiveness, sharing his HEAL framework and personal journey from NFL success to deeper spiritual and emotional recovery. The conversation links faith with brain health to show how letting go of vengeance and embracing love can change both mind and body.
32:28•31 Aug 2026
From Vengeance to Healing: Pastor Derwin Gray on Faith, Forgiveness and Your Brain
Episode Overview
- Success driven by vengeance eventually leads to burnout rather than real healing.
- Shifting identity to a "beloved child of God" can transform self-worth and behaviour.
- The HEAL steps stress honesty about hurt, accepting difficulty, and living from love, not for love.
- Forgiveness and reconciliation are different; forgiving someone does not always mean giving them access.
- Letting go of unforgiveness can reduce physical and mental health risks and support a healthier brain.
“Healing is hard, but staying unhealed is harder.”
What drives someone to seek a life of real healing, not just success and trophies? This conversation with Pastor Dr Derwin Gray offers a very personal look at that question, mixing gridiron grit with deep faith and brain science.
You'll hear Derwin share how he once thought success would fix everything: “What I thought was going to heal me was success… when you use vengeance as fuel for success, eventually that vengeance is going to burn you out.” From a childhood marked by trauma and stuttering to an NFL career and then church leadership, he talks candidly about how an identity rooted as a “beloved child of God” changed his mind, his relationships, and his health.
Derwin sits down with Dr Daniel Amen and Tana Amen to talk through his new book *It’s Time to Heal*, built around the acronym HEAL: being honest about what happened, expecting healing to be hard, accepting that trauma explains origins but not destiny, and learning to live from love rather than chasing it. He links these ideas with neuroplasticity, showing how repeated thoughts and choices can reshape the brain toward wholeness.
Forgiveness is a major theme, especially in Derwin’s story of finding and forgiving his father, and Tana’s parallel experience with her own dad. They stress that “forgiveness doesn’t always mean access”, and that reconciliation and forgiveness are different. Letting go of anger is framed as an act of spiritual obedience and serious self-care, with unforgiveness tied to physical problems like high blood pressure and mental issues such as depression and anxiety.
If you’re carrying old hurts, struggling with family wounds, or wondering how faith and brain health fit together, this episode offers a practical, heart-level framework for starting to heal. What step from HEAL could be your first move toward a kinder story about yourself today?

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