Kelly & Ryan: Psychological Safety & Wonders of Postbiotics over a glass @TheZeroProof | EP9Kelly & Ryan: Psychological Safety & Wonders of Postbiotics over a glass @TheZeroProof | EP9
Mocktails Or Messy
Ryan and Kelly share wine and mocktails while chatting about psychological safety, gut health, lab-grown diamonds and micro weddings. Their lively back-and-forth blends humour with personal reflections on work, relationships and modern lifestyle choices.
15:14•20 Mar 2024
Mocktails, Gut Health and Micro Weddings: Kelly & Ryan Get Messy
Episode Overview
- Psychological safety means being able to speak up, disagree and share concerns at work without fear of negative repercussions.
- Postbiotics are the waste products after digesting prebiotics and probiotics, and healthy postbiotics can support gut and immune health.
- Fecal transplants from healthy donors can be highly effective for gut issues, and donors may earn up to $1,500 per month for stool samples.
- Lab-grown diamonds are made from the same material as mined diamonds, cost around 60–85% less, but can lack the imperfections some people see as character.
- Micro weddings are typically defined as having 50 guests or fewer, offering a more intimate alternative to large celebrations.
“This shit is real, guys. Mocktails are messy. It’s real.”
What emotional and inspiring tales of recovery are out there? This chat between Ryan Frankowski and Kelly Musgorski shows that even over a glass of wine – one alcoholic, one alcohol-free – you can talk honestly about work, health, love and a slightly chaotic life.
It’s real.” The chat swings into workplace culture with Ryan sharing a definition of psychological safety: feeling able “to speak up, to disagree openly, to surface concerns without fear of negative repercussions or pressure to sugarcoat bad news.” Kelly reflects on her past experience of needing to “please the boss” and how she now values peers and colleagues having a respected voice instead of being treated like “peasants.” Health gets a surprising spotlight too, as Ryan explains postbiotics – the “waste left behind” after digesting pre- and probiotics – and how healthy gut bacteria can support immune health and even connect to the brain.
You’ll hear Ryan pouring a generous glass of Leitz Van Goethe zero Chardonnay while Kelly sticks to her Kendall Jackson, setting up a playful contrast that fits anyone who’s sober-curious but still enjoys the social buzz. Their banter is quick and cheeky, from Kelly proudly calling herself “food aggressive” to Ryan laughing, “This shit is real, guys. Mocktails are messy.
The conversation moves from that to fecal transplants, and the rather eye-opening idea that donating stool could earn “up to $1,500 a month.” From there, it’s a whirl through lab-grown diamonds, housing styles, paprika being dehydrated red pepper, and the trend of micro weddings (50 guests or fewer). Kelly talks about past marriage, dream weddings abroad, and later wanting “a massive wedding” after seeing how powerful a celebration of love can be.
It’s chatty, messy, funny, and honest – ideal if you enjoy mocktails, straight talk, and the kind of friendship where nothing is off the table. Ready to pour a glass and think about what kind of life – and wedding – you actually want?
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