Law Professor Benjamin Perrin talks to me about how our criminal justice system has no place in helping people who use drugs.Law Professor Benjamin Perrin talks to me about how our criminal justice system has no place in helping people who use drugs.
Hard Knox Talks: Sober Stories. Real Talk.
Benjamin Perrin discusses his shift in views on substance use and criminal justice, advocating for decriminalization and transformative justice.
59:03•23 Nov 2023
Benjamin Perrin: Rethinking Justice for Substance Use
Episode Overview
- Benjamin Perrin shares his personal journey and how it influenced his evolving views on crime and harm reduction
- Compelling insights into the failures of the current criminal justice system and the need for transformative change
- Thought-provoking discussions on decriminalizing substance use and widespread access to safe places for drug use
- Advocacy for transformative justice and the abolition of traditional prisons, challenging conventional beliefs
- Real-life stories that offer a profound reflection on society's approach to substance use and criminal justice
“Our goal shouldn't be to punish people. Instead, we need to transform the trauma in our society, both of victims and those who caused harm. If we're interested in a safer society, we need to do things differently.”
Ever wondered if our criminal justice system is the best way to handle substance use? In this episode of 'Hard Knox Talks: Sober Stories. Real Talk.', UBC law professor and author Benjamin Perrin sits down with host Daniel Unmanageable to unpack his bestselling book, 'Indictment: The Criminal Justice System on Trial'. Benjamin's journey from government advisor to outspoken critic of current drug policies is both eye-opening and deeply personal.
He shares how his father-in-law's struggles with substance use prompted him to rethink his views on crime and punishment. This episode dives into Benjamin's call for decriminalizing substance use and creating safe spaces for drug consumption. He highlights the failures of the current system and makes a compelling case for transformative justice and the abolition of traditional prisons.
With real-life stories and candid discussions, this episode challenges conventional wisdom about drug policies, policing, and punishment, offering a fresh perspective on how society can better address substance use.

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