Bonus Drop: Dr. John Outlines the "ISM" vs. "WASM"Bonus Drop: Dr. John Outlines the "ISM" vs. "WASM"
Sober.Coffee Podcast
Special Bonus Drop where Dr. John stops by the Sober Coffee shop where he focuses on Alcohol-ISM vs. Alcohol-WASM... Including the dances of false confidence that Alcohol “was” the problem. With understanding Alcohol-ISM, it's a constant focus on sobriety
26:00•30 Oct 2022
Dr. John Explains Alcohol-ISM vs. Alcohol-WASM: Filling the Void Beyond Sobriety
“Alcoholism versus alcoholism, this hole in the soul, the spiritual dis-ease, whatever it is, it's important for me to realize that it's still there.”
Ever felt like there’s a hole in your soul that nothing seems to fill? In this special bonus episode of the Sober.Coffee Podcast, hosts Mike R and Glenn H sit down with Dr. John to dive deep into the concept of Alcohol-ISM versus Alcohol-WASM. Dr. John breaks down how the yearning for wholeness and connectedness can often lead us astray, making alcohol seem like the only solution to fill that void.
He explains why even after giving up drinking, many still feel an emptiness that can make relapse tempting. The episode tackles the misconception that simply quitting alcohol solves all problems, emphasizing the need for ongoing spiritual and emotional work. Dr. John, Mike, and Glenn share their personal experiences and discuss how tools like AA meetings and spiritual practices can help maintain long-term sobriety.
They also touch on the metaphors found in the big book and explore the connection between addiction and gambling. This episode is a must-listen for anyone struggling with the deeper issues behind addiction or supporting someone who is. Tune in to gain a fresh perspective on filling that 'hole in the soul' and finding your true north on the path to recovery.

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