Living Two Days At a Time

Living Two Days At a Time

Recovery Talks: The Podcast

Krishna Pendyala talks with Mark Lee Shannon about how a failed suicide attempt, paralysis and deep reflection led to his pig-and-ape framework for better choices. The conversation links awareness, ego, shame, and living “two days at a time” to practical recovery and everyday decision-making.

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34:22•12 Feb 2021

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Living Two Days at a Time: Krishna Pendyala on Choice, Ego and Recovery

Episode Overview

  • A failed suicide attempt and six months of paralysis pushed Krishna Pendyala towards the realisation: if ending life isn’t working, learning how to live might be the only way forward.
  • Krishna’s pig-and-ape framework links instant pleasure, avoiding pain and the ego to repeated mistakes, giving people in recovery a simple way to see their own patterns.
  • Separating who you are from what you do, and spotting when the ego just wants to be right, can reduce conflict and support more honest, peaceful choices.
  • Both Krishna and Mark stress that early recovery feels like starting from scratch, with the brain relearning basic functioning and emotional resilience taking time to rebuild.
  • Living “two days at a time” – acting today in ways that don’t sabotage tomorrow – offers a practical twist on a familiar slogan and supports steady, sustainable recovery.
“Maybe if you can’t kill yourself, you should learn how to live.”

What can we learn from those who have battled addiction? Here, musician and recovery advocate Mark Lee Shannon sits down with author and speaker Krishna Pendyala to talk about what he calls his “fifth lease on life” and how a failed suicide attempt at 18 became the turning point that changed everything. Krishna shares how a catastrophic car wreck left him paralysed for six months, forcing a level of reflection he describes as a gift in hindsight.

Lying in that hospital bed, one line reshaped his future: “Maybe if you can’t kill yourself, you should learn how to live.” From there, he set out to understand why he kept making “silly mistakes” and how our habits and instincts can quietly run the show.

The conversation digs into his book *Beyond the Pig and Ape*, where Krishna uses the “pig” (instant pleasure), the “ape” (avoiding pain), and the ego to explain why people so often act against their own interests. He and Mark link these ideas directly to recovery, talking about awareness levels, snap reactions, and the gap between who you are and what you do.

Krishna sums it up neatly: “I want to be happy, but my ego wants to be right.” For anyone in early sobriety, the chat about starting from scratch will feel very familiar. Mark relates his own struggles with post-acute withdrawal, anxiety, and rebuilding a working brain, while Krishna focuses on acceptance, context, and the slow work of building emotional and mental “muscles” instead of chasing the exit door.

A standout moment comes when Krishna shares his twist on a classic recovery slogan: he suggests living “two days at a time” – doing whatever you like today, as long as it doesn’t ruin tomorrow. If you’re wrestling with shame, labels, or the feeling of being an “ultimate loser”, this conversation might make you pause and ask: what small shift could you make today so tomorrow isn’t harder than it has to be?

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