RFK Jr. Was A Prosecutor Hiding This For Years

RFK Jr. Was A Prosecutor Hiding This For Years

I Love Being Sober

Tim Westbrook and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. share a candid conversation about heroin addiction, spiritual awakening, relapse, and long-term sobriety. They also discuss why service, gratitude, and outcome-based treatment models may be crucial for meaningful recovery.

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1:07:4914 Apr 2026

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Addiction, Faith and What Real Recovery Looks Like

Episode Overview

  • Spiritual change and daily moral choices can dissolve the compulsion to use, even when willpower has failed for years.
  • It is easier to stay sober than to get sober; returning after relapse may require long periods of dry, difficult effort.
  • Regular meetings and a mindset of surrender help keep anxiety at bay and make life feel manageable.
  • Service to other addicts is described as the key ingredient of real recovery, renewing spiritual growth each day.
  • Outcome-based, long-term, accountable care is argued as essential to shift treatment away from profiting off relapse.
The message I would say is it's always easier to stay sober than to get sober.

What drives someone to seek a life without alcohol? This live conversation at Camelback Recovery brings together Tim Westbrook and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for an unusually raw look at addiction, faith, and the kind of recovery that actually lasts. You’ll hear Kennedy describe his rapid slide from a strict Irish Catholic childhood to shooting heroin by the end of one summer, even while working as a district attorney.

He captures the heartbreak of addiction in one line: “For me, the most demoralizing feature of this disease was my incapacity to keep contracts with myself.” From there, he explains how reading Carl Jung on synchronicity nudged him towards a simple but radical decision: to “act as if” God existed and live life as a series of small moral choices, from making his bed to putting the shopping trolley back. The episode digs into relapse too.

After 25 years sober, Kennedy went back out briefly, and he’s blunt about the lesson: “The message I would say is it's always easier to stay sober than to get sober.” Getting back into recovery meant two years of “dry” meetings and practising faith even when it felt absent, like the classic “dark night of the soul”. For anyone interested in systems change, you’ll hear his critique of a fragmented treatment landscape that profits from repeat relapses.

He argues for outcome-based care where rehabs are responsible for a full year and have a financial reason to keep people well, not just admit them again. Throughout, service and gratitude come up as non-negotiables. Kennedy talks about going to a meeting every day, treating service as “the secret sauce”, and even giving up complaining for Lent and never starting again.

If you’re wondering what “real recovery” might look like beyond simply stopping substances, this conversation offers plenty to think about and a challenge: how are you practising surrender, service, and gratitude in your own sober life?

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