Emotional Sobriety and LoveEmotional Sobriety and Love
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
Returning to our definition of a more mature love, challenging not the concept of “self” entirely, but an expanding our sense of self to include others, embracing relationships. We only get better at this by practicing! More about Thom’s book “What Love Is” on his website: https://www.thomrutledge.com/thom-s-books Actor Michael Shannon on love: https://www.npr.org/2025/01/31/nx-s1-5272576/actor-michael-shannon-explains-how-his-idea-of-love-has-changed-as-hes-grown-older Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here: https://rebelliondogspublishing.com/ Join an ongoing Zoom meeting wherein participants read Bill Schaberg’s 30 Things: Practical Advice for Living Well chapter-by-chapter here: 11.00am East Coast / 4.00pm U.K. ID: 875 319 1947 Password: 2GROWIN Upcoming events with Allen Berger: https://abphd.com/events/ Follow us on social media. Podcast Twitter: @EmSobrietyPod Instagram: thomrutledge2 Joe C. Twitter: @Rebellion_Dogs Friendly Circle Berlin Workshop Group meets every Monday @ 7:30pm (Berlin), 6:30pm (Ireland & UK), 1:30pm EST, 10:30am PST Zoom Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/5505019905 Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/ Thom's book, Embracing Fear: https://www.amazon.com/Embracing-Fear-Turn-Scares-Greatest/dp/0062517759/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Join Allen & Thom at our Thursday night, 7pm PST Zoom meeting on Emotional Sobriety and the Steps (login information below): https://zoom.us/j/330149513 Password: 375986 For our ongoing workshop video series on Emotional Sobriety and the 12 Steps, visit our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHEM2-kqLkfp3I4c0jy-X-g Also, please join our “Emotional Sobriety and Recovery” FB Group at the following link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/120450976662519 We’d love to stay in touch in between meetings. We appreciate feedback! Contact Patrick, our producer, at pndirective4@gmail.com for any questions or comments.
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The Evolution of Love in Emotional Sobriety
Episode Overview
- Love evolves from self-serving to selfless as one matures.
- Practicing love without expectations leads to greater happiness.
- Emotional sobriety involves expanding one's sense of self to include others.
- 'Positive selfishness' can benefit both oneself and others.
- Consistent practice is essential for mastering emotional sobriety and love.
“Love for its own sake is something that takes years to understand, but it's worth every moment.”
In this episode of 'Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery', hosts Thom Rutledge and Dr. Allen Berger dive into the complex relationship between emotional sobriety and love. They explore how love evolves with age and maturity, reflecting on Michael Shannon's thoughts about love shifting from self-serving to selfless as one grows older. The conversation touches on the importance of practicing love without expecting anything in return, which can lead to a happier, more fulfilling life.
Thom and Allen discuss how emotional sobriety involves expanding one's sense of self to include others, moving beyond dependency and immature concepts of love. They share personal anecdotes and insights, highlighting how their understanding of love has changed over the years. The episode also features reflections on the concept of 'positive selfishness', where focusing on oneself can benefit others as well.
Thom and Allen encourage listeners to practice emotional sobriety and love daily, emphasising that consistent effort is key to mastering these skills. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to deepen their understanding of love and emotional sobriety.

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