From “Why Me?” to “What Now?”: A New Approach to Pain and Growth with Scott Barry KaufmanFrom “Why Me?” to “What Now?”: A New Approach to Pain and Growth with Scott Barry Kaufman
The One You Feed
Join Eric Zimmer and Scott Barry Kaufman as they explore shifting from 'Why Me?' to 'What Now?' Discover how small choices lead to growth and resilience.
56:56•8 Jul 2025
From “Why Me?” to “What Now?”: A New Approach to Pain and Growth with Scott Barry Kaufman
Episode Overview
- Challenge cognitive distortions to find realistic outcomes.
- Avoid black and white thinking for genuine change.
- Identify with pain without letting it define you.
- Empower yourself by overcoming a victim mindset.
- Focus on small, consistent choices for growth.
“The real work happens in the messy middle, in the nuance, as Scott Barry Kaufman says, that doesn't trend.”
In this enlightening episode of 'The One You Feed,' host Eric Zimmer is joined by Scott Barry Kaufman to discuss the transformative journey from asking 'Why Me?' to 'What Now?' Kaufman, a renowned psychologist, introduces listeners to the concepts explored in his latest book, 'Rise Above: Overcoming a Victim Mindset, Empower Yourself and Realize Your Full Potential.' The episode begins with a discussion on cognitive distortions, emphasizing the importance of challenging the negative thought patterns that often plague our minds.
Kaufman suggests asking ourselves about the worst, best, and most realistic outcomes in any given situation, thereby encouraging a focus on the most probable realities rather than extremes. Zimmer and Kaufman delve into the dangers of black and white thinking, which can limit personal growth and lead to a victim mindset. Kaufman argues that genuine change is not about a single epiphany but rather a series of small, deliberate choices that gradually lead to transformation.
He stresses the importance of identifying with one's pain, not to be defined by it, but to recognize the agency we still possess in shaping our lives. Throughout the conversation, the hosts explore how societal expectations can pull individuals towards emotional extremes, either urging them to bear their wounds publicly or to ignore them entirely. Kaufman advocates for finding balance in the messy middle, where true growth occurs.
The episode also touches on the concept of trauma, defined as events that fundamentally alter one's worldview or self-view, and how resilience can be cultivated to handle life's inevitable challenges. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their cognitive distortions and victim mindset, recognizing that holding oneself to a higher standard is a form of self-love. The episode concludes with Zimmer inviting listeners to practice insights gained from the episode, emphasizing that wisdom shared from person to person is invaluable.
Join Eric and Scott for a thought-provoking discussion that offers practical tools for overcoming limiting beliefs and embracing personal growth.

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