GBR Podcast Beyond Addiction Ep-9

GBR Podcast Beyond Addiction Ep-9

Beyond Addiction, Future of Addiction Treatment Today!

Barnett Gilmer and Alex Carley talk about relapse and substitution, linking Alex’s personal journey with the wider opioid and methamphetamine crises. The conversation focuses on why addressing trauma and internal unrest is crucial for lasting change, rather than only removing drugs.

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32:43•15 Dec 2025

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Relapse, Substitution and Finding the Real Solution Within

Episode Overview

  • Removing drugs without addressing trauma, low self-worth and other root issues often leads straight back to relapse.
  • Early beliefs that pills or substances are the only way to feel "normal" can turn into long‑term dependence.
  • Maintenance medications may become another substance to misuse if underlying reasons for using are ignored.
  • Treating addiction effectively means working on the "roots" of internal unrest, not just cutting off visible behaviours.
  • Hope can return when someone sees the solution as already within them and starts to rebuild genuine relationships.
“I had no idea that I could, the solution was in me and that I could find it inside me all along.”

How do people find strength in their journey to sobriety? This episode of Beyond Addiction puts that question centre stage, as Gulf Breeze Recovery CEO Barnett Gilmer talks with admissions coordinator Alex Carley about relapse, substitution, and why simply removing drugs rarely fixes the problem.

Barnett sets the scene with a wider look at substance use trends: the opioid crisis moving from pain pills to heroin and fentanyl, a sharp rise in alcohol use disorder among women, and growing methamphetamine use. From there, the focus shifts to Alex’s story, which shows how treatment can fall short when it ignores the "why" behind addiction. Alex traces her drug use back to childhood feelings of unworthiness and a constant chase for validation.

Good grades, sports teams, attention from peers – and eventually weed, alcohol, cocaine, heroin and meth – all became attempts to feel "like I was a whole person". She explains how multiple treatment centres and detoxes simply took away substances or added maintenance meds, without touching trauma, low self-esteem or that belief that "the solution was only obtainable out here".

Barnett uses a plant analogy to make things clearer: traditional treatment cuts off the visible "plant" of addictive behaviour, but leaves the roots of internal unrest – depression, anxiety, boredom, trauma – intact. As he puts it, "the plant typically grows back" unless those roots start to wither. The turning point came when Alex reached Gulf Breeze Recovery and finally had time, one‑to‑one counselling, and a space to see that "the feeling that I was searching for out there...

was inside me all along". She talks about rebuilding relationships with her family, seeing herself as "not broken", and finding genuine hope after repeated relapses. If you’ve ever wondered why past treatment didn’t stick, this conversation might prompt you to ask: are you only cutting the plant, or are you tending to the roots too?

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