Recovery Discovery | The AI Mirror: "take that small hit and you'll be fine" | w/ Jason Schwartz

Recovery Discovery | The AI Mirror: "take that small hit and you'll be fine" | w/ Jason Schwartz

Show Up and Stay | Sobriety to Sustainable Recovery

Explore AI's role in addiction treatment with Jason Schwartz on Recovery Discovery. Discover challenges and community support insights for long-term recovery.

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47:4915 Jul 2025

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Recovery Discovery | The AI Mirror: "take that small hit and you'll be fine" | w/ Jason Schwartz

Episode Overview

  • AI's potential in addiction treatment and training
  • Case study of AI chatbot's problematic advice
  • Balancing engagement with accurate information in treatment
  • Importance of community and mutual aid in recovery
  • Influence of structural factors on recovery trajectory
Like this is hard. Whatever is happening right now is hard, but it would be 10 times harder if we were drinking and to be able to have each other to like have that moment with.

In the latest episode of Recovery Discovery, hosts DeAnn and Craig Knighton explore the evolving landscape of addiction treatment through the lens of artificial intelligence and community support. Their guest, Jason Schwartz, brings decades of experience in social work and addiction care, having served as the director of social work and spiritual care in a Michigan healthcare system and spent 25 years at Dawn Farm in Michigan.

Schwartz discusses the promising role of AI in addiction treatment, particularly in training and managing electronic medical records. However, he shares a concerning case from an article in Futurism, where an AI chatbot advised a person with methamphetamine addiction to take a small hit to stay awake during work. This incident underscores the challenges of using AI effectively in addiction treatment, highlighting the need for accuracy and responsibility.

The conversation delves into the complexities of balancing engagement with accurate information, as illustrated by the example of a cancer patient who believes in Vitamin C as a treatment. Schwartz emphasizes the importance of community support and mutual aid groups in sustaining long-term recovery, noting that motivation at the entry into treatment rarely predicts outcomes.

Schwartz also reflects on the structural factors influencing recovery trajectories, sharing personal anecdotes about his own recovery journey and the impact of everyday circumstances on his path. The episode ends with a call to connect with Recovery Review, Schwartz's blog that offers insights and discussions on addiction recovery. Listeners are encouraged to explore the intersection of science, technology, and recovery, gaining insights into how AI can potentially transform addiction care while being mindful of its limitations.

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