Our Way of Life with Herb K.Our Way of Life with Herb K.
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
Longtime collaborator of Allen's Herb K. returns to the pod. In light of a recent enlargement of his spiritual life, Herb discusses Steps 10-12 of the 12 Steps, which move us from a program of recovery to a program of living. Learn more about Herb at his website: https://herbk.com/ To register for Herb and Allen's upcoming London conference for Friendly Circle Berlin (Emotional Sobriety workshop), visit the following link. Those interested can log in virtually or attend in person. https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/friendly-circle-berlin-london-conference-2024-tickets-786440042337?aff=erelexpmlt Follow us on social media. Podcast Twitter: @EmSobrietyPod Instagram: thomrutledge2 Joe C. Twitter: @Rebellion_Dogs Friendly Circle Berlin Workshop Group meets every Monday @ 7:30pm (Berlin), 6:30pm (Ireland & UK), 1:30pm EST, 10:30am PST Zoom Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/5505019905 Info for the upcoming London International AA Convention: https://londonaaconvention.com/ Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/ Thom's book, Embracing Fear: https://www.amazon.com/Embracing-Fear-Turn-Scares-Greatest/dp/0062517759/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Join Allen & Thom at our Thursday night, 7pm PST Zoom meeting on Emotional Sobriety and the Steps (login information below): https://zoom.us/j/330149513 Password: 375986 For our ongoing workshop video series on Emotional Sobriety and the 12 Steps, visit our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHEM2-kqLkfp3I4c0jy-X-g Also, please join our “Emotional Sobriety and Recovery” FB Group at the following link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/120450976662519 We’d love to stay in touch in between meetings. We appreciate feedback! Contact Patrick, our producer, at pndirective4@gmail.com for any questions or comments.
45:12•15 Jan 2024
Herb K. on Steps 10-12: From Recovery to a Full Life
Episode Overview
- Herb Kagan discusses the relevance of steps 10 to 12 in the context of emotional sobriety and program of living
- The transformative power of spirituality and the process of change are highlighted
- The distinction between the program of recovery and the program of living is explored
- The significance of relationships and the value of intention and consistency in the recovery journey
- Insights into the dynamic process of change and the importance of practice in spiritual growth
“All people on a spiritual path have a spiritual practice and they practice their practice.”
What happens after you've tackled the initial steps of recovery? Herb K., a seasoned collaborator with Dr. Allen Berger, joins the podcast to shed light on the often-overlooked Steps 10-12 of the 12 Steps program. These steps, he explains, are not just about maintaining sobriety but about embracing a new way of living. Herb shares his personal journey and spiritual growth, illustrating how these steps help shift focus from mere recovery to a more holistic, fulfilling life.
The conversation delves into the transformative power of spirituality, the importance of ongoing self-reflection, and the value of nurturing relationships. If you're curious about how to move from simply staying sober to truly thriving, this episode is packed with wisdom and practical advice.

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