Codependency and Emotional SobrietyCodependency and Emotional Sobriety
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
“...the pain that comes from loving someone who's in trouble can be profound.” ― Melody Beattie, Codependent No More: How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself Joe’s “Beyond Belief” book: https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Belief-reflection-nonbelievers-freethinkers/dp/0988115700 See guest Michael Harney’s play, “Danny Boy” still showing in Los Angeles: https://www.onstage411.com/newsite/show/play_info.asp?show_id=7432 Patrick’s “Outside Issues” podcast, about the intersection of recovery and social justice: https://www.youtube.com/@outsideissuespodcast https://pod.link/1826305552 Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here: https://rebelliondogspublishing.com Follow us on social media. Podcast Twitter: @EmSobrietyPod Instagram: thomrutledge2 Joe C. Twitter: @Rebellion_Dogs Friendly Circle Berlin Workshop Group meets every Monday @ 7:30pm (Berlin), 6:30pm (Ireland & UK), 1:30pm EST, 10:30am PST Zoom Link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/5505019905 Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/ Join Allen & Thom at our Thursday night, 7pm PST Zoom meeting on Emotional Sobriety and the Steps (login information below): https://zoom.us/j/330149513 Password: 375986 For our ongoing workshop video series on Emotional Sobriety and the 12 Steps, visit our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHEM2-kqLkfp3I4c0jy-X-g Also, please join our “Emotional Sobriety and Recovery” FB Group at the following link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/120450976662519 We’d love to stay in touch in between meetings. We appreciate feedback! Contact Patrick, our producer, at pndirective4@gmail.com for any questions or comments.
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Codependency vs. Emotional Sobriety: The Inner Battle
Episode Overview
- Emotional sobriety involves growing from the inside out.
- Codependency can hinder personal growth and recovery.
- True change must come from within, not external sources.
- Supporting loved ones in recovery requires patience and understanding.
- Trust is crucial in relationships and personal development.
“"The pain that comes from loving someone who's in trouble can be profound."”
What drives someone to seek a life without alcohol? In this episode, Thom Rutledge and Dr. Allen Berger explore the intricate dance between codependency and emotional sobriety. With a mix of humour and deep reflection, they tackle the often hidden 'should monster' that dictates our internal dialogues and relationships. The hosts share personal stories, like Dr. Berger's encounter with an old acquaintance who found solace in his teachings years ago, highlighting the long-lasting impact of their work.
They discuss how emotional sobriety requires us to grow from the inside out, rather than relying on external validation or approval. Their conversation touches on the challenges of helping loved ones who are stuck in destructive patterns, emphasising that true change must come from within. This episode is both a reminder and a guide on how to maintain emotional balance while dealing with life's ups and downs.
As they conclude with a serenity prayer, listeners are left pondering: How can you build your internal structure to support emotional sobriety?

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